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 Post subject: update manager

Joined: 06 Jan 2013, 16:56
Posts: 62
Hi, does the nav 0.5 needs system updates (not upgrade) regularly, i.e. as with ubuntu update manager? I cannot find it on the menu.
Thanks,
Ken


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 Post subject: Re: update manager

Joined: 04 Nov 2010, 20:51
Posts: 1062
No


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 Post subject: Re: update manager

Joined: 04 Nov 2010, 20:51
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Ok, not to give a flippant answer....

To make a distinction between 'updates' and 'upgrades', updates being the list of packages currently available in the repositories to add to a system or upgrade what is currently installed. Unless you are specifically referring to the list of available packages, I'm sloppy and use both terms mostly interchangeably. The Ubuntu Update Manager is an 'automatic' system *component* upgrade application. The distinction made there is upgrade vs dist-upgrade to fit in with their release strategy.

No. Updates are generally not necessary.

Sure you could update your list, but if you are not adding a new application, or updating/upgrading the current system, why bother?

The First Rule Of Most Anything is: If it's working; don't touch it.

The Second Rule Of Most Anything is: If you touch it and break it; you fix it or pay for it.

Contrary to most our training the questions that need to be asked are:

Is it working?

Will the modifications improve the system?

Will the modification break anything or impact another aspect of the system?

Take, for example by analogy, you have a car. There's 'nothing wrong with it', but, oh, a new model just came out.

You pick up the new model and it doesn't fit the garage...or less dramatic, the placement of some things in the garage need to be re-arranged...or two months later when you change oil you notice the catch pan does fit under the frame. The folks who put together your upgrade vehicle don't also make buckets that slide under them...and so the story goes.

As a 'real life' example, Tor, the onion router found a teeny-tiny security hole that in certain situations could allow some malevolent force, or the NSA, to uncover the IP address of your machine. Unless your shipping missile launch codes...who cares?

The upgrade meant the handy plugin to easily toggle Tor on/off on the web browser no longer worked. Actually, it was just easier to have a dedicated web browser for Tor. So, because of a fix that didn't affect 99.9999% of Navigatrix users you have a mess.

Having said that, I upgrade frequently, most of the time it is for no good reason what so ever.

Most of the time it is a change that doesn't affect me; security threats, the NSA, teenage zombie bots; and I don't even notice.

Occasionally, there are cosmetic or function changes that do catch my eye. Some are better....some not. Occasionally it just means I have to reconfigure something I reconfigured the last time I upgraded...or learn a new way to do something.

For example, sometimes websites will have a javascript that prevent the selection of text to copy and paste it to another application. The updated Firefox removed the 'javascript toggle' to allow you to block javascripts if you want.

Now, with an upgraded Firefox, if you want to copy'n'paste from those websites you either need to install an extension, or crawl into the Firefox configuration file.

The frequency of updating is also burdensome. There are over 100,000 files that get updated with differing frequencies. There are more than 5 patches per hour in the kernel. Major release time has shorten from months to weeks. Most of the changes don't affect us mere mortals as there are two rules to most anything....


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 Post subject: Re: update manager

Joined: 06 Jan 2013, 16:56
Posts: 62
I guess we are so conditioned with traditional o/s like windows or ubuntu, with updates just about ever few weeks; of course most of us (myself included) got no idea what the updates are all about, just believing it is a continuous improvement process, ironing bugs etc. We are induced to believe these constant updates will protect us from crashes or any thing bad that may happen. However on reflection, the system will surely get bog down with all these updates, much like have may "plasters" covering many wounds, until a total new release and the cycle starts again.

It is quite "unbelievable" and against conventional thinking that we can just leave a system without worrying about any upgrades, seems too good to be true, and I guess navigatrix is a good example i.e. not having "plasters", but when the time come just go for a new release.

Having said that, human nature dictates that we strive for continuously improvement and advancement; that's how we get where we are today; which may or may not be a good thing over "if it is working don't touch it" philosophy.


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 Post subject: Re: update manager

Joined: 04 Nov 2010, 20:51
Posts: 1062
I like upgrades, as I said before I do it all the time. They fall into 3 categories I'll rank for frequency:
  • Transparent and/or inconsequential
  • Welcomed, useful, etc.
  • Problematic

Most upgrades don't make any difference to me and the world I live in.

Some are just great and a real improvement...and,

The third make me wish in varying degrees, that I should have left well enough alone.

The tough part is knowing beforehand...ain't it always the case. The nice aspects with a free operating system is you can start over and it only will cost you the time...oh, and 3 months of email because you didn't learn from the last experience how to save it.


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